This is from a deleted scene.
This deleted water scene just compounds it for me.
Responding to criticism that the scene in the Enterprise shuttlecraft in which Kirk catches a glimpse of Carol Marcus in her underwear could be viewed as sexist, J.J. Abrams revealed during an interview on Conan on May 23, 2013 a segment of a deleted scene from the film in which Khan is seen taking a shower.
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Nadia stretched, let out a sigh. “That quarrel at the jirga still bothering you hun?”
The Shotar glanced over his shoulder. “Damianus Vorskrai’s proposition to reorganize our government is surprisingly popular.” He exhaled. “Particularly among his workers. Not so much so with the warriors and Tahru clerics.” Sharr added glowering. “I do not care for the secrecy it shall breed.”
“Open jirga’s always been the Falcanian way.” Shalimar commented. People often mistook her model beauty to mean she must also be an airhead. But never Sharr. “Not this cloistered parliament of lords which Vorskrai suggests.” Her blunt answer to the problem. “You’re the Shotar. Do not allow it to happen. If you require a reason, cite Falcanian righteousness.”
“Damianus Vorskrai believes it will shift power to his Guilthari.” Nadia reasoned. “He’d not have suggested such a reorganization if he did not think he could see it accomplished.” She frowned. “He’s an ace up his sleeve. Be cautious. We need his merchants.”
“Of course Nadia.” Agreed the Shotar. “You say merchant as if Vorskrai’s genuinely a Capitalist.” Sharr Khan fumed. “Why does every civilization on this planet sooner or later end up plagued by Marxists?” Grumbled the Shotar. “I’d thought I forestalled such deterioration with the ThunderHawk Compact. Each house gets an equal voice.”
“As I recall,” said Nadia getting out of the nest. “Your friend, Kvaltar, who established the Guilthari happens to be himself a Socialist.”
“Yes, Bright-Eyes.” Sharr reached out, took hold of her chin. Leaned in for a kiss. Oh, she was so very lovely, his beloved Robotess. Those molded Persian features, based on her creators unique Iranian-Finn heritage. “And the Commander-in-chief of my army is a spartan Vegan. Not exactly Falcanian is it?”
From the forthcoming FREE Neo-human short story Kitana.
Noticeably absent from this preview, is Kitana herself.
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OK. My friend really has an issue with Spock having a girlfriend. Though he should know better, he thinks Spock should only ‘have a girlfriend every seven years…’
However, that’s not exactly what Amok Time set out to prove. Sure Vulcans have a biological drive which once every seven years demands they reproduce, yet nothing in the episode implies that this prevents relationships between the opposite sexes the rest of the time.
And Ambassador Sarek proves this, he married twice. We know, both from his mind meld with Picard and Star Trek 2009 – That he married Amanda Grayson because he loved her. Years later he chose another wife Perrin.
The point is biological drive does not equal the desire for companionship. Vulcans are feeling beings, despite what they try to tell themselves.
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Was there this outrage when Nyota Uhura stripped down in her room with James Kirk hiding under her roommates bed? I surely don’t recall it.
Have we really become so PC that a little bit of cheesecake (in what was a pretty dark movie) now has become a crime? What I am saying is, are we walking on eggshells over everything now?
It’s not as if Alice Eve didn’t have a say if she did the scene or not. A brief Bing or Google search will also show that she’s gone further in movies which makes this nothing.
Also, this scene was highlighted in the trailers, yet now the movie is out its become a brouhaha?
I call shenanigans.
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Via Syfy Blastr
“I didn’t realize this debate until I started shooting the movie,” Weller said. “I’m a Ph.D. candidate at UCLA in Italian Renaissance Art History and Ancient Roman History. One of my professors, Kathryn McDonnell, a very gifted teacher on Roman art, she said, ‘How could J.J. do this? Vulcan can’t be destroyed.’ She went on this whole diatribe. She said, ‘Listen, I’m a Star Trek fan from the get-go, and you can’t make alternate universes when you’ve already been established for 35 years …’ So I was debating her over coffee. I said, ‘Well, I think it’s more fascinating that J.J. and his writers created a parallel universe.’ J.J.’s conception and the writers’ conception of the 2009 film was fantastic. They do it with sophistication. I find it very touching: That in one universe, this happened; in another universe, this happened. There’s an actual dialogue between the two universes, so it’s not just a gimmick. That whole dialogue between Zach Quinto and Leonard Nimoy [who played Spock in the original Star Trek] in this film is just one of its best parts. Especially Zach, with his particular sensitivity and how vulnerable this particular Spock is, despite the fact that he doesn’t want to be. I get weepy watching that scene of him trying to explain how not to feel. He pulls off a new Spock who is bewildered at the fact that he’s living in a different time and a different universe.”
Because, you know, I’m not done talking about Star Trek Into Darkness…
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I’ve seen Star Trek Into Darkness.
Overall I enjoyed it. Were there things I would have done differently? Sure. Oh there’s no way to talk about this movie justly without spoilers.
FYI, I’m totally glad the ‘message’ got done with by the time Kirk reached the command chair and was only vaguely hinted at later on. Shooting long-range missiles filled with people IS immoral. There is no real world equivalent to this. Mind you this story was probably thought up while GWB was still president, I’m fairly sure Obama doesn’t mind throwing drones at terrorists either… just saying.
In all the talk about this movie among Trek fans, many of the hardcore fans seem to be forgetting that this is supposed to be a Summer blockbuster and not a dissertation or morality play. – Those don’t fill theater seats. You are just going to have to get over it.
There are two plot holes which I few lines of dialogue would have fixed. Why did they need Khan’s blood to save Kirk when they had 72 other Augments? Actually the novel tackles this. McCoy more or less says: “I can’t be sure the others physiology works the same and there’s no time to find out – Its Khan or nothing.” Works for me. But it should have been in the movie.
And the other one. Why didn’t Khan wake up his crew when he had access to them to place them on photon torpedoes? The novel kind of implies that waking procedure was complicated, but I got nothing.
Neither of these plot holes ruined the film for me. And lets face, Trek’s done worse.
I don’t know if this was done on purpose, or if its just how it worked out. Did you notice that Pavel was ‘below decks’ and did not once come in contact with Khan? Well see in the main universe he was not even on the show in the first season and years later Khan claimed to recall his face. I think this is a setup for umm the third movie… Can’t you see it? Khan gets defrosted again and meets Pavel and then cane say ironically “I never forget a face….”
Must see more catgirls. They were adorable.
Not Space Seed Redux
I keep reading from (disgruntled) Trekkies how this is a rehash of Space Seed. Wait what? The plot is completely not related to that episode. We didn’t even get to see the SS Botany Bay which I found to be a let down. Though not to worry, Robert Orci said on twitter that in the fall IDW Publishing will have a four issue ‘John Harrison’ comic, which probably will end up being this universe’s version of Space Seed.
I was all prepared to groan, yet instead I smiled and chuckled at the “Mister Spock” and “Mister Spock” line. Though if anyone didn’t see the first movie, this cameo might have left them confused. Look it wasn’t really needed, though I kind of get why they have Leonard Nimoy make an appearance, he’s the godfather of Star Trek and part of what let them carry the first movie off was his blessing. These writers will never kill off Ambassador Spock on or off-screen, even though having him exist in the alternate reality it fraught with problems. The symbolism of that would not go well – Just ask Ronald D. Moore about killing James T. Kirk…
Gonna say something subversive here. Spock’s screaming Khan‘s name had better context then it did in the main universe when Kirk did it. Kirk screamed Khan in frustration, Spock did it anger at the loss of his friend – This is a slightly more human Spock who has been forced to come to terms with who he is much earlier. Amway, I found it a tad more chilling.
The Khan Haters…
Yeah folks, don’t think they’re done using Khan Noonien Singh, he’s going to play some role in the third movie, either big or small.
A More Fully Realized Khan Noonien Singh?
Not a Moby-Dick quote in sight. I kept waiting for it, but none. The funny thing, much of what Trek fans consider original, is in fact rehashed plot points or dialogue from ‘classic’ literature. For all these writers faults (real or imagined) they’ve yet to fall back on the Trek tradition of using ‘classic books’ as a crutch. Where they do borrow, they do it within the context of Trek’s mythology.
One of my favorite scenes was Kirk punching Khan and he just stands there and takes it like it was nothing. These Augments are very much like my Morninstars. In any event I loved Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan, rather than just alluding to what he is we actually got to see it be a threat. That is both a product of our times and the ability to make better FX.
Khan might have been a threat, but Admiral Marcus is the actual bad guy of this movie. Which fits with a long line of corrupt StarFleet admirals.
What If Khan Was Telling The Truth?
Funny thing, in Space Seed, its stated outright, as tyrants go, Khan Noonien Singh was a nice guy. No genocide under his rule. As we know records from the Eugenics Wars are pretty fragmented. What if Khan and his brethren were created to be bringers of peace and ‘lesser humans’ simply attacked what they feared? There’s a whole lot of unexplored gray area here. Me thinks Spock Prime put his own spin on this. He of course has personal reasons for doing so. Khan did help kill him the main time line.
Countdown To Darkness
So because of the secrecy involved, the prequel comic book is next to useless. Or was there some subplot like in the first movie that got cut? I noticed a whole chunk of Khan’s dialogue which happened in the trailers was no place to be found in the movie itself. Anyway I think the ‘John Harrison comic’ is going to end up what Countdown to Darkness should have been, a setup for Khan’s motives.
I give this movie four stars. It’s now my second favorite Trek movie right after Wrath of Khan and probably ranks slightly above The Undiscovered Country. Of course, I like Star Trek V...
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